Showing posts with label Nurburgring. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Nurburgring. Show all posts

Saturday, April 24, 2010

Pointless Car Sets Contrived Record, Audio/Video Still Epic.

The Ferrari 599XX isn't a car about which I can care much. Funny, I know, but I can't really see spending a cool one and a half million dollars for a car I can't take home, or ever use on the road. I'm sorry, but aside from the Enzo-derived, 700hp V12, I'm afraid Ferrari's not-really-a-racer for rich not-really-a-racers leaves me a bit cold.

And now, Ferrari have really gone out of their way to show just how far out of their way they have to go in order to inject some legitimacy into the XX program. In the spirit of the times, Ferrari have ventured to the Nürburgring's Nordschleife and set a very impressive lap-time; they also seem to have hit a bit of a snag. Very impressive ring-times are very impressive and all, but they're nothing without context. And that proves to be a bit of a problem when you're trying to sell a non-road worthy sports car that costs millions. See, most of the cars setting advertisable lap-times are road cars, and almost all of them are significantly cheaper.

Ferrari though, are a clever bunch, and where others might have seen a problem, they jumped at opportunity. If they couldn't set the production car lap record, they could invent a record for "production-derived" cars... yup.



As you can see, and hear, it's all very glorious. Fast too, faster than most all but a few cars to run the Green Hell. And Ferrari have managed to make it all sound like a big deal. The 599XX is now the absolute fastest production derived car to lap Germany's great bullshit dectector.

There are two problems with all of this:

The first is Britian's Radical, and their SR8, a road-legal sports car that just happens to be racing-derived. It's really little more than a racing car with indicators, and road-legal tires. The plucky Brits, have however, defied the cynics, and driven their car across Europe to the ring, set a time ten seconds faster than the 599XX, and driven home triumphant. The 599 arived on a trailer, as it always must.

The second is the unfortunately christened Gumpert Apollo Sport and its 7:11:57 lap. The Apollo (Let's just forget the surname for the moment)is a production car, period, and also set its time on street tires.

Granted, neither of these are cars you would probably want to use regulary. They're impractical as transport, and in the Apollo's case, thirsty. But at least they have the ability to work on the road, which is where I think cars belong. Fast, glorious, and loud as it is, the 599XX just isn't really a car to me; it's a toy, and one that is far too expensive for anything it does to be relevant. Thank goodness, I guess, that Ferrari has seen the light, and derived from it, a truely usable supercar, in the form of the 599 GTO, a car which, it is to be hoped, can compete on an even playing field.

Friday, July 11, 2008

ZR1/GTR, Head To Head.


The guys at Garage 419 have gone and made the simple matter of figuring out which baby super car is fastest around a 14 mile strip of German tarmac more complicated. They've synced the video of the Nurburgring laps of the Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 and Nissans new GTR; and they've added a master timer to clarify the situation. The results are... interesting. First off, both timers seem a little optimistic compared to 419's, with the Chevy's being the brighter of the two. Second, the Corvette is clearly faster, which I'd bet half the Internet wasn't expecting.

I wasn't really expecting it either to be frank. It didn't seem possible for the GTR's new-tech approach of combined AWD and super-quick dual-clutch transmission to be bested. It has been. The ZR1 is a simple combination of light weight and large grunt, but that's not all it has going for it. If you watch closely you can see that the driver of the Corvette is pushing much harder than the GTR's pilot. I think that's because the Corvette's softer suspension is letting him attack the curbs more. Anywhere there's a straight though, the Corvette is off into the distance and the GTR is looking at a tailgate. Oh, and it also shows that I can no longer claim disinterest in this affair.

What the video really shows up though is the need for some measure of standardization. I'm not to the point of calling for one driver to drive all these cars in like conditions as I fell that will actually limit the performance of all of them. A driver familiar with the car he or she is driving will be able to extract more performance by knowing what the car can do in extreme situations. I would however like to see one line on the track where these tests start and stop, and someone from the press should be able to hook up independent timing equipment.

Alas, this is not really a likely scenario, so maybe the best thing to do is sit back and watch the video.

Thursday, July 10, 2008

Corvette ZR1 Trips 7.26.4 Lap! Now With Video! Sort Of!


Well, yesterday I was going on about Chevy's new super-'Vette and my displeasure at their attempts to lap a certain German racetrack faster than Nissan could with their semi-comparable GTR. I now retract those comments. I still don't care which care is faster around the Nurburgring and I won't care any more when Nissan's GTR V-spec debuts in 2010. But I'm glad Chevrolet went out and gave it a try, partly because I like the idea of going very fast mechanically over using a computer to do the same, but mostly because it allowed them to make this video as proof.

It's a very exciting thing to watch. Unlike the GTR which goes about its 'Ring lapping with an almost surgical precision, the big Vette is all over the place with the driver having to apply loads of corrective lock. It even catches air over the Flugplatz.

The video also answers the question about which car has the better motor. I'm sure the GTR's twin-turbo V6 is a great thing what with its 480bhp, but the LS9 is a truly mega-motor with what seems to be the mother of all mid-ranges and a roar that will send anything this side of a Koenigsegg CCX crawling under the nearest rock.

As I still can't figure out how to bring you video on this site I've been forced to include a link to Jalopnik below. Click it, you'll be glad you did.

Very Fast Car

Tuesday, July 8, 2008

And Now Chevy Is At It As Well...

My first post on this trifle of a blog was a wordy little grump about Honda jumping into the fray with a car that promised to be based less in the philosophy of driving enjoyment, and more in the camp of the extreme performers. It's a disturbing trend that I see all over the industry these days,on e countered only by the likes of Lotus with their flyweight Elises and Exiges. It's a trend that seems to have its roots in Germany's Eiffel Mountains, and that most famous strip of dangerous tarmac, the Nurburgring.

In truth I think even the ring is only a symptom. The public has little understanding of the benefits of light-weight sports cars, and those cars are gradually being regulated out of existence by increasingly draconian safety and emissions laws. Combined with a market that thinks their cars are supposed to be mobile living rooms those laws make sports cars under 3,000lbs a rare sight these days. So, if the already hard to quantify quality of driving enjoyment is also increasingly difficult to produce, who can blame manufactures for generating headlines by turning up the power and using computers to stand in for driver ability in an effort to put real speed in the hands of the masses?

Me, that's who. I'm sick of it. I'm sick of watching cars that should weigh two thirds what they do fly around tracks at break-neck speeds, consuming huge quantities of high-test gasoline. I'm sick of the mantra of speed at all costs, and I'm sick of people buying cars they can't be bothered to learn to drive properly while producers cater to them with stability control programs, and all-wheel-drive systems that stand in for the ham-fisted control in-puts of today's "sports car" buyer. I can't stand to watch the label sport attached to machines that have had all sporting integrity programmed out of them in the name of shaving precious seconds of their lap-times on the world's most exciting toll-road.

And so it is that I've had a change of heart in recent years, or maybe there's been a convergence of philosophy; I've decided that I rather like the Chevrolet Corvette. It's been a long, slow road, to such a fast car. Don't get me wrong, I've always loved the older Sting Rays with their out of this world style and mechanical fuel-injection. I like the 50s cars as well, and I've always thought that the '68-'72 cars made for attractive, and reasonably priced sportsters, at least before the market went through the roof.

Truth is though, the Corvette and I, at least at the more extreme ends of the performance scale, go our separate ways in 1966, with the arrival of the Big-Block. I am not a fan of Big-Blocks. In fact, they are the antithesis of performance in my mind. They don't really achieve anything out of the ordinary for an engine, they just do what any engine does on an enormous scale, and they have no place in a car like a Corvette. Because of the Big-Block, and their lock on the American enthusiast's mindset, I grew up think of the Corvette as an agricultural, and very heavy pseudo-sport. Factor in the decline of the entire US auto industry in the 70s and from 1967 to the present day only one car had any impact on my perception of "America's Sports Car" as being a well intentioned myth.

That car was the C4 ZR-1 of the late 80s and early 90s. With its Lotus developed, DOHC, 350ci LT5 V8 that developed between 375 and 405bhp over its lifetime, the ZR-1 was a Corvette apart. It wasn't the performance that made the car different for me, it was the way the car went about going fast. Here was a Corvette with the specification I craved.

I still get excited when I see one, but not enough buyers shared my fascination and the car was a sales dud. It did succeed in generating interest in the Corvette range, and was an image builder for Chevy as a whole, but the car was over-priced. It didn't help that, other than the monster motor, there wasn't a lot of difference from the regular L98 engined Corvette, and once the asthmatic L98 had been replaced with the muscular LT1, there was even less. Sure, if you looked c lose you might notice the swollen rear arches housing tires wide enough to deploy all that power, and if you sat in the cabin, you might be able to see past the bits falling off long enough to notice the switches for the adjustable damping system. But you had to look hard, and most people couldn't tell the difference anyway.

And so it was that I lost interest again. The Corvette and I seemed destined to sail a different course. I think would have missed the C5 update entirely,, trans-axle gearbox included had it not been for the introduction of the Z06 model. Even that car proved to be only about two thirds of what was needed, bringing the Corvette only up to the level of interesting high-performer for those who wanted something that wasn't a Porsche 911. The C6 introduction though, that got my attention. First there was the news that this Corvette would do something Corvettes just didn't do in my experience, it would shrink.

That's right, the Big, Bad Chevy got... not as big, and with that move weight was kept down. Clearly someone was on an interesting tack here and when the news of the revised Z06 broke the spec sheet read like no American production car before. Carbon fenders, aluminum chassis, magnesium roof structure, Chevy were breaking new ground. Then there was the engine; no, it hadn't sprouted overhead camshafts or 32 valves, but what it did was somehow cram all the displacement of a 427 big-block into the external dimensions of a 350. It generated 505bhp and was lighter than the the Old LT1 (Chevy had supplanted that motor with the Aluminum LS1 in 1997). Chevy then went about demonstrating that they were sweating the details by mounting the engine lower, and further back in the chassis to improve the distribution of what weight was left. I didn't even blame GM for demonstrating their new found savvy by lapping the Nurburgring in search of a competitive time.

Now there's a new ZR1, with a supercharger, 638bhp, and an even more extreme chassis. It's lapping the Ring at 7:26, three seconds faster than Nissan's reinvented GTR. It's got a top speed of 205mph as well, but somehow, this time, the ZR1 and I just aren't playing for the same team. I find myself wondering what could have been if Chevy had stuck to the philosophy they employed so well with the Z06 and made the car even lighter. What if they made it rev higher, and used the ZR!'s carbon-fiber roof to make the car even lighter? What if they had spent the money they used to develop the supercharged LS9 engine on making a coil-sprung suspension would respond even better than the Z06's?

It probably wouldn't lap as quickly, that's what. In the current climate where performances is all that the public responds to the ZR1 makes sense, and it will be a fitting flagship. It's still my favorite of the forthcoming baby super cars too. I just wonder what the world will make of it in 20 years, when we look back, will we see it as a classic icon, or a wasteful dinosaur that, perhaps like the industry as a whole, failed to change with the times.

Wednesday, June 18, 2008

Et Tu Honda?

I was angry when I first saw pictures and specs for the new Nissan GT-R. I knew what it was going to be, and it made me angry. I like sports cars, but that doesn't mean that I like cars that only know how to go fast. The GT-R only knows how to go fast, and at that, it is very talented. A time of 7:29 around Germany's Nurbergring is something about which Nissan can brag for years.

It's how the Nissan accomplishes this feat that gets my ire up. The car has to do most of the driving itself. Sure, the pilot does things like turn the wheel, and slam on the pedals (both of them), but those, along with the transmission paddles aren't so much controls anymore as they are a collective suggestion box. The car takes the information you give it about what you'd like to see happen in an upcoming corner, and then shuffles torque, applies brakes, firms up or softens damping, and sets a rear wheel angle or two until it can deliver that. At no point does the car demand anything of the drive other than knowledge of the basic route the road takes. The other side of this is that, despite being a rather practical 2+2 coupe, the car has some really incredible limitations. It's big, really big. It's thirsty too, in an age of $5.00 a gallon gas, I'm not too sure I like the idea of a car that usually returns economy numbers in the teens. And there are equipment issues which simply cannot be ignored. For example, the tires are filled with dried Nitrogen, not air. Air, you see, expands when it gets hot, Nitrogen does so to a much smaller degree and thus the car avoids some issues with the tires that usually cause lack of grip. Have you ever thought about where you'd get dried nitrogen? Have you ever heard of dried Nitrogen?

All this sucks because for a long time the GT-R was the car that proved how well high-tech could be tuned to deliver a great, non-synthetic driving experience. For longer than that, it's been a performance and driving icon, dating back to the PGC-10 of the late 60s. The NSX on the other hand is a relative newcomer. Sure, it's been around for fifteen plus years, but there's really only been the one model, continually upgraded and delivering a driving experience that, in its day, taught names like Ferrari what they were doing wrong. It too has always been a high-tech car, but one that flaunted its technology in terms of materials and engineering, not simply letting electronics take over and make the car faster. In that sense it's always been one of my favorite cars, and one who's influence on the industry can still be felt today.

And so it was with not a little anger that I read in the news this morning that Honda has set a rather predictable target for the NSX replacement when it debuts in about two years, the GT-R's 7:29 time around the ring. It's a huge target, don't get me wrong, and it will mean a total re think of the way Honda's flagship performance car is engineered. Gone will be the pure and responsive mid-ship engine layout, along with rear-wheel drive. The aluminum platform may still be used, but lightness will not be among the car's virtues. In place of the venerable v-tec equipped 3.2 liter V6, there will be a 5.5 liter V10, and 550bhp. It's all too much for me, and I can't think that, were he alive today, this is the path that Soichiro Honda would like to see his company take. Here was an engineer, a man whos engines were always small and efficient, his cars light, and agile.

I still want an NSX. I still want a KPGC-10 GTR as well, but I don't think I'll ever want either of these cars. I don't want a car that does everything for me. I don't want to be taken out of the process like that, and I don't like the infancy brought on by all the weight these systems bring with them. Isn't it time? Isn't it time for sports cars that are neither heavy weight computer simulators, nor stripped out, super light specials? What's happened, where are the sports coupes we used to drive around in? Where are the Preludes and 24oSXs, the GT-6s and GTVs? Neither cheap, nor expensive, these cars allowed driving fun for many people who simply have no option anymore. Why is it that only the rich get to enjoy driving? And then only at speeds they cannot possibly control, thus needing the car to enjoy driving for them...

UPDATE: Two days in and Honda already seem dangerously close to getting their wish. The NSX replacement is being unoffically timed at 7:37... joy.